 
New York - Anti-Zionist Group: 5 Towns Jewish Times Newspaper Distorting Views of Toldos Avraham
News Source: VIN News
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Published on Thursday, November 19, 2009 -
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| A reception for the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe was held Thursday evening of last week at Congregation Shaaray Tefila in Lawrence. Seated are Rabbi Dovid Weinberger (at left) and the Rebbe. Standing are event chairman Sender Schwartz and two aides to the Rebbe. |
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New York - For the past several weeks, American Jewry has been privileged to host Rabbi Shmuel Yaakov Kahn, the Toldos Avraham Yitzchok Rebbe, who has come from Jerusalem to visit followers and raise funds for his religious schools. The Rebbe leads one of the largest anti-Zionist communities in the Holy Land, who do not participate in the Israeli elections, do not accept government funding for their schools, and in general refuse to recognize the existence of the Zionist state.
The Rebbe’s grandfather, Rabbi Aharon Roth, the Shomer Emunim Rebbe (1894-1946), was the founder of the community. It is said that Rabbi Aharon Roth was once taking a walk in the field and his disciples wanted to bring him a chair to sit on and rest. But Rabbi Roth refused, preferring to sit down on a rock. “I don’t want to sit on something that the wicked Zionists made,” he said. “I would like to sit on a place that these wicked people did not yet touch and defile.”
The Rebbe’s father and predecessor was Rabbi Avraham Yitzchok Kahn, known as the Toldos Aharon Rebbe. He passed away in 1996. Two years before the end of his life, he wrote in his book Igros Divrei Emunah (p. 225) that Zionism has become a worse sin in the eyes of G-d now that religious Jews have become the strongest Zionists. This places the entire Jewish people in danger. “As long as Zionism was a largely secular movement,” he said, “the defending angels in G-d’s court could at least say that the keepers of the Torah, the most important segment of the Jewish people, has nothing to do with this state that violates G-d’s decree of exile. But now that many religious Jews have begun to speak of Eretz Yisroel as if it is ours and it is forbidden to return it, thus aligning themselves with the Zionist ideal, the angels no longer have any defense, may Hashem have mercy.”
The current Rebbe continues faithfully in their tradition. But last week, when he visited the Modern Orthodox community of Lawrence, New York, this tradition brought him into conflict with the local community members, most of whom are strong Zionists. As the Rebbe held a tish and spoke with individuals, some in Lawrence asked why they should give money to support an anti-Zionist community. The controversy was deepened by the perception that Toldos Avraham Yitzchok members were central players in the recent demonstrations in the streets of Jerusalem against a parking lot opened by the mayor on Shabbos.
Seeking to make peace between the Rebbe and the Lawrence community, Larry Gordon, editor of the Five Towns Jewish Times, went to interview the Rebbe and his wife and then made the interview the subject of a lead article in his newspaper. Quite understandably, Gordon set out to portray the Rebbe as a Zionist, whose only complaint is that the State of Israel is not religious enough. However, the way in which he went about it, using falsified quotations and his own specious arguments, does not reflect well on the reliability of his journalism.
We should mention that the Five Towns Jewish Times is a weekly paper that reads less like a source of news and more like a Zionist propaganda organ. For example, this past week, under the headline “Toldos Avraham Yitzchok: Perception vs. Reality ” (i.e. it is not anti-Zionist as it appears) were two other headlines: “We Are All Israelis” and “This Land is Our Land”. The paper is distributed all over Flatbush and given out for free, in restaurants and street-corner boxes. It is clearly an ideologically motivated publication.
In the article Gordon wrote: “Their Old World traditions handed down through the generations, however, are also shrouded in controversy, as fringe elements organize sometimes violent demonstrations on the streets of Jerusalem on matters they feel come into conflict with the sanctity of Shabbos, particularly in their carefully cut-out conclaves and neighborhoods. Who the actual players are in these unnecessary and embarrassing demonstrations is largely unclear.
”These activities, though, combined with the community’s official position of non-recognition of the legitimacy of the secular State of Israel, brought them at loggerheads with others this week as they seek material support from communities who are identified by their strong support for the State of Israel.
”I sat down with the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe and his Rebbetzin between appointments to see people last Sunday—some of whom had flown in from other parts of North America—to try to clarify and understand where the Rebbe and his chassidim stand on the all-important issue of support for the State of Israel.
“’What it comes down to, very briefly, is that the government violates Shabbos and sanctions this desecration,’ the Rebbe said clearly and calmly in Yiddish. ‘If there would not be this violation of Shabbos, we would have absolutely no problem with the State of Israel.’”
The publication of these words in the Rebbe’s name caused an uproar in anti-Zionist communities throughout the New York area and elsewhere. Dozens of people wrote to the Five Towns Jewish Times website and other sites where the story was republished, declaring unequivocally that the Rebbe must have been misquoted. Our own organization, Jews Against Zionism, received incredulous phone calls and emails asking us to get to the bottom of this.
We contacted the Rebbe’s wife, who told us as follows: 1) It was not the Rebbe who spoke to Gordon, only she. The Rebbe was present at the meeting but did not say anything. 2) The Rebbe and the Rebbetzin were not aware that this was an interview, much less with a Zionist newspaper. Had they known this, they would not have agreed to speak to Gordon, lest he misrepresent their views. They were under the impression that Gordon was just another one of hundreds who come to speak with the Rebbe. 3) She did not make the statement quoted in the article. She did speak against those demonstrators who throw stones, saying that the Rebbe was strongly opposed to that. On that point Gordon quoted her correctly. 4) The Rebbe has decided not to fight the newspaper for misquoting him, or to issue a denial, because these Zionists are impossible to deal with, and even a denial will not help.
Mr. Gordon continues to postulate about the Rebbe’s “Zionism”:
“Based on what the Rebbe and his wife had to say, and taking them at their word, it seems that they are simply principled people who, as observant Jews, find the desecration of Shabbos in the land of the Jews intolerable…
”To many of us, the image of Israel and her survival is the greatest and most challenging undertaking of our time. I don’t believe that the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe feels any differently about this issue. It may very well be that those chassidim of various sects—perhaps only on the periphery—who question the entire concept of Zionism, its proliferation, and support do so because of the fashion in which Shabbos has been trampled on all too often over the years…”
Actually, the greatest challenge of our time is the challenge that the Zionist state presents to Judaism. By substituting a man-made state for G-d’s promise of redemption, the state has undermined the foundations of our faith, and has made a mockery of the hopes of Jews for 2000 years. Thank G-d that there are still Jews who remember those hopes and have not thrown them away to jump on the Zionist bandwagon. The most challenging undertaking of our time will be to bring back the rest of the Jewish people to their original faith and to undo all the damage the Zionists have done.
To suggest that the main issue is observance of Shabbos is to trivialize the true main issue. We hope that from now on nobody will take Larry Gordon’s articles, or anything in his newspaper, seriously.
Below is a response sent to VIN News from Larry Gordon editor of Five Towns Jewish Times
Obviously the authors of this anonymous web submission are indulging in extreme propaganda combined with large doses of fabrication. Clearly, this
group pejoratively labels anyone that does not fit in with their particular brand of extremism Our preliminary research has identified this group as a former affiliate or offshoot of the extreme anti-Zionists that met with the Iranian leader. Let me just make a few brief points:
1. At least one other person was in the room when I conducted the interview with the Rebbe and Rebbitzen. The comments that were made in response to a series of questions can be independently verified.
2. Both the Rebbe and Rebbitzen were made aware, in my presence, that our conversation was, in fact, for a newspaper interview. A copy of the paper was shown to both of them.
3. All statements or comments attributed to either the Rebbe or the Rebbitzen were carefully transcribed and are accurately quoted. Considering the circumstances they are in, I can understand the rationale in not fully revealing to this group some of the things that were said. It's probably important to note that after several remarks the Rebbe or the Rebbitzen asked that a specific remark not appear in the article. That request was honored.
The 5 Towns Jewish Times stands by its story and does not have to explain anything to people who write from the shadows.
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1 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:47:43 PM
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I am so glad they have cleared this up. I guess the Jewish Star was right after all.
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by Anonymous |
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2 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:48:56 PM
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After all they made a terible "Chillul Hashem". They made a discusting look om chariedim. If they do know how to play the show of "Chanufa" why didn't they do it till now.
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by Anonymous |
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3 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:49:19 PM
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When the article was published, how did local people react? Did any withdraw their pledges or cancel their checks? Did people refuse to meet with them?
Why are you all surprised? The Rebbe, while maybe not despising the "sinner" despises the "sin" - Zionism. So why does he live there? A simple, naive argument that has, at least for me, very serious ramifications.
The Rebbe has more of a right to criticize the govt: he lives there. We don't. However to bury one's head in the sand & either ignore the needs of the Cholonim or throw stones is not the way to effect change. We all know that.
Sender Schwartz is a local, he knows exactly how to manipulate the system. You expect me to believe he was as surprised as the Rebbe when he read the article? You have to be kidding! Go back & see WHY 5Towns JN was selected for this rare interview.
I know Larry Gordon. He is a rare breed, an honest reporter, & I have no doubt he informed these holy visitors exactly the issues that would be discussed.
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by Anonymous |
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4 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:50:05 PM
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Its too bad we couldnt just debate Zionism using only the Torah. Unfortunately, ad homenim attacks and emotions get in the way of fruitful discussion. Both sides seek to villianize the other and that is no way to win anyone over. Personally as an AntiZionist I believe that most Zionists are tinok shenishbah, born into their beliefs but I am sure most Zionists feel the same way about me. If this is true then what makes it right to attack one another? During these trying times when we are feeling the flames of growing antisemitism it is foolish to divide the Jewish people. So I implore everyone to be respectful, and open your mind to other possibilities and maybe we will learn something one another.
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by Achdus |
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5 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:51:29 PM
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Go Larry Gordon!! Blow these meshuganahs out of the water!
The 5tjt is an excllenet paper and is following the ways of ahron hakohen - bakesh shalom verodfaihu. We should all learn from him.
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by Anonymous |
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6 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:54:11 PM
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the Toldos Avraham should have kept quiet they sound more like lunatics now.
Not to sit on a chair that was weaved by a Zionist, but in Europe he sat on chairs weaved by anti-Semitic people . What does he do, impart all chairs and check who weaved it. I see a haschgucha for furniture coming soon.
I wish the Toldos Avraham suite for libel and then we can get to the bottom of this.
Funny ther recant came after he collected the money, why not right away?
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by Anonymous |
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7 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:54:38 PM
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This gorden is messing with the wrong guy.
you don't start with a Tzaddik.
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by Anonymous |
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8 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:54:59 PM
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why is vos is neias quoting articles and responses from neturei karta???? they have been put in cherem by everysingle chareidi group.
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by Anonymous |
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9 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:55:26 PM
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I think it is time to let this issue go to the wayside and move on.
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by dovid's friend |
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10 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:56:09 PM
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“why is vos is neias quoting articles and responses from neturei karta???? they have been put in cherem by everysingle chareidi group. ”
Natruna is NOT NK and neither is the group " Jews Against Zionism" . Both are affiliated primarily with Satar Chassidim.
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by NOT NK |
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11 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:56:46 PM
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i must say the article is interesting especially where it says the story of the rebbe being given a chair and refusing saying that he doesnt want to sit on a chair the wicked zionists made well let me say that it takes one to know one if the rebbe sees evil in others the he must have similar evil in himself thats all i want to say it takes one to know one
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by Anonymous |
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12 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:57:03 PM
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i must say the article is interesting especially where it says the story of the rebbe being given a chair and refusing saying that he doesnt want to sit on a chair the wicked zionists made well let me say that it takes one to know one if the rebbe sees evil in others the he must have similar evil in himself thats all i want to say it takes one to know one
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by jancsi |
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13 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:57:26 PM
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“ i must say the article is interesting especially where it says the story of the rebbe being given a chair and refusing saying that he doesnt want to sit on a chair the wicked zionists made well let me say that it takes one to know one if the rebbe sees evil in others the he must have similar evil in himself thats all i want to say it takes one to know one ”
That is nonsense... Take a look at what Queen Esther said to King Ahasuerus " For how can I endure to see the evil that will come to my people? Or how can I endure to see the destruction of my countrymen?" (Est 8:6) There are many other places in Torah where evil is seen and corrected. What do you think the job of the neviim where? To remove the evil amongst us so it does not corrupt us....
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by Anonymous |
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14 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:57:51 PM
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Incredible!!! A textbook case of biting the hand that feeds you.
That article was a gift from Larry Gordon.
His softball reporting and puff piece slant was clearly intended to give the rebbe a safe forum to sugarcoat his outrageous philosophical excesses. It’s most likely that Mr. Gordon's interest was to pave the way for the rebbe's return (READ: major advertising dollars!); to blunt criticism directed at Rabbi Dovid Weinberger, and; to undermine the credibility of Mr. Gordon's principal and principled competition, The Jewish Star.
But none of this diminishes the golden opportunity Mr. Gordon gave the rebbe. And for all his transparent cynicism, I emphatically reject any claim that Mr. Gordon is purposefully manipulative, or a liar.
The rebbe's shocking distortion of facts, vis-à-vis his 5TJT interview; his childish retreat behind his wife to avoid owning up to his statements; his gross lack of Hakaras HaTov, and; his willingness to throw a fellow Jew under the bus when it suits his needs, is a telling reflection of his character, and a sad reminder of what passes for gadlus these days.
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by DizzyIzzy |
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15 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:58:29 PM
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“ Its too bad we couldnt just debate Zionism using only the Torah. Unfortunately, ad homenim attacks and emotions get in the way of fruitful discussion. Both sides seek to villianize the other and that is no way to win anyone over. Personally as an AntiZionist I believe that most Zionists are tinok shenishbah, born into their beliefs but I am sure most Zionists feel the same way about me. If this is true then what makes it right to attack one another? During these trying times when we are feeling the flames of growing antisemitism it is foolish to divide the Jewish people. So I implore everyone to be respectful, and open your mind to other possibilities and maybe we will learn something one another. ”
as a person who believes in religious zionism, i applaud and agree with your message of respect and unity in the jewish people. i wish we could talk more
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by Robert |
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16 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:59:23 PM
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I do not want to seat in a chair from a zionist, but I want their gelt to buy the chairism means to us. I recommend reading up more on the subject or speaking with an AntiZionist Jew.
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by gelt |
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17 - Posted on 11/19/2009 3:59:50 PM
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i have known Larry Gordon and his brother several years now. i can very open say they are both great and honest people...Larry is a great writer and does not write what he dreams.
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by Anonymous |
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18 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:00:17 PM
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Larry: one word for you... Chazak!! -k-
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by Anonymous |
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19 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:00:33 PM
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the real question is not on mr gordon but of the rebba if he did indeed make these statemewnts they are not in his idealogy then it was said to shut up the dumb americans to pick their pockets go to him or his brother ansd see for your self this a money making machine and we americans are the cash cows
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by Anonymous |
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20 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:01:18 PM
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we may all have different beleifs, however one thing is clear. this man is holy I wouldnt start up with him. he promised a relative of mine that they will have a child (after many years of hoping,trying and waiting) and he was right!
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by Anonymous |
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21 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:01:43 PM
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“why is vos is neias quoting articles and responses from neturei karta???? they have been put in cherem by everysingle chareidi group. ”
Can you please tell the name of any one Chareidi Group that has put Neturei Karta in Cherem????
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by Anonymous |
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22 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:02:03 PM
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The anti-Zionism from the Satmar Rav and others in his circle had little to do with secularism, which for them is a peripheral issue. If I recall VaYoel Moshe correctly, it's the Three Oaths, and the shitah that any sovereignty can't occur before the geulah proper. The statement by the rebbe that reduces the controversy down to chilul Shabbos is thus astonishing.
I doubt that Larry Gordon would purposely distort the rebbe's words to fit some agenda- I would sooner find a more benign reason than accuse another Jew of dishonesty (but see Al Geula V'HaTemura for another view on ZIonist journalists). Perhaps the rebbe was refering to active opposition to the State through protests and the like. If the gov't would be shomer shabbos ,the rebbe would oppose demonstrations but remain opposed to the State passively. This is all speculation, but I believe it's a reasonable explanation because it's consistent with the non-crazy anti-Zionist's shitah and avoids accusing Gordon of lying.
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by Anonymous |
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23 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:02:33 PM
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lets not forget this holy man did not take el al airlines [dont be mafarness the zionist]and was stopped by customs. hurt them where it hurts ,in their pockets.Dumb americans feeding these low lifes
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by Anonymous |
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24 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:03:16 PM
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“Can you please tell the name of any one Chareidi Group that has put Neturei Karta in Cherem????”
Both Satmar Rebbes
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by Aaron |
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25 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:03:49 PM
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Sender Schwartz is a man of great integrity. If he supports the rebbe that is enough for me. I don't care what the article says.
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by Anonymous |
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26 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:04:20 PM
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“I do not want to seat in a chair from a zionist, but I want their gelt to buy the chair ”
Here is another suggestion, get the"zionist gelt" and buy an education so you can learn how to spell and use the proper grammer.
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by gelt |
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27 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:04:41 PM
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long live sender schwartz, a great american
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by Anonymous |
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28 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:05:13 PM
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this is our cause.......we must raise more money for them.....are you with me?
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by 5T residant |
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29 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:05:35 PM
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I would pay $10 a page for Larry's work.
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by Meir |
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30 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:05:55 PM
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They won't sit in a Zionist's chair but they'll take a Zionist's money?
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by Anonymous |
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31 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:06:43 PM
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“this is our cause.......we must raise more money for them.....are you with me? ”
"5T residant Say"
Sure. Just as soon as you name the Five Towns' four main East-West thoroughfares.
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by DizzyIzzy |
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32 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:07:04 PM
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A great issue was raised "why if they don't believe in Zionism why do they live in E"Y? If they truly believe in galus, why not truly be in galus?
Secondly, my husband went to the tish (tent). He said it was crowded with his own Chasidim and not many of the neighborhood men. In addition he went Motzei Shabbos and came back with the same report. The neighborhood was flooded with chassidic guests who were came along with the Rebbe, but there weren't that many neighborhood members who participated. In addition that particular shabbos was also that WE were hosting IDF soldiers. The Chassidic group did not offer them a warm welcome into the festivities. Rabbi Weinberger personally escorted a group of soldiers into the tent and invited them to sit down but they were uncomfortable only at that point did the Rebbe insist that they join him.
KEEP in mind. THESE YOUNG MEN, protect him,his family and his entire kehilah!
They should be shown the utmost hakaros hatov!
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by Anonymous |
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33 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:08:05 PM
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Meir Says:
“I would pay $10 a page for Larry's work. ”
Make it $11 and you got a deal. Call me around 1 pm at 516-984-0079 or email ads@5TJT.com
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by 5TJT Ad Sales |
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34 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:08:49 PM
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“After all they made a terible "Chillul Hashem". They made a discusting look om chariedim. If they do know how to play the show of "Chanufa" why didn't they do it till now. ”
The only people who "made a discusting look on chareidim" are:
* People who riot in the street FOR ANY REASON
* Men who beat up women/girl for:
1. Not dressing how they would have liked them to
2. Sitting on the "wrong" spot on a bus
* Those who engage in sect warfare
* Those who embrace derech-chibbah that cockroach in Teheran
* Those who march with Hamas
* Those who cast aspersions on the religiosity of those who are sickened by all of the above
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by Anonymous |
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35 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:09:26 PM
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“Both Satmar Rebbes”
I am in no way defending "Neturei Karta", I also think they are a group of meshugoyim, but that's all I think they are, and I think there are much worse aveiros out there. In addition the fact is that most Satmar chasidim I know would still rather be meshadech with NK than with some other groups.
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by ish chusid hoyoh |
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36 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:09:59 PM
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Anonymous Says:
“A great issue was raised" why if they don't believe in Zionism why do they live in E"Y? If they truly believe in galus, why not truly be in galus?
Secondly, my husband went to the tish (tent). He said it was crowded with his own Chasidim and not many of the neighborhood men. In addition he went Motzei Shabbos and came back with the same report. The neighborhood was flooded with chassidic guests who were came along with the Rebbe, but there weren't that many neighborhood members who participated. In addition that particular shabbos was also that WE were hosting IDF soldiers. The Chassidic group did not offer them a warm welcome into the festivities. Rabbi Weinberger personally escorted a group of soldiers into the tent and invited them to sit down but they were uncomfortable only at that point did the Rebbe insist that they join him.
KEEP in mind. THESE YOUNG MEN, protect him,his family and his entire kehilah!
They should be shown the utmost hakaros hatov! ”
they are the ones who put klal Yisroel into danger. If we were humble like Yaakov Avinu and Rabban Yochanan ben Zakkai we wouldn't be in this mess. Remember, we used to get along well with the Arabs before Hertzel. Even Rav YB Soloveitchik ztl wrote this!
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by Anonymous |
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37 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:10:24 PM
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“Both Satmar Rebbes”
i only saw the kol korei signed by R' Zalman Leib (which is strange because the Bnei Yoel who are together with NK have "Ahavah Mesuteres" for Rebbe Zalman). I don't think Rebbe Aharon ever wrote anything about them, but he really doesn't have to because NK hate him more than anyone.
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by Anonymous |
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38 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:10:45 PM
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The question needs to be asked that if the rebbe is so principled that he would not take money from a woman who was mechalel shabbos how can he take money from a Zionistic community if we are, in fact, the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people ever?
Mr. Gordon, you and those who welcomed this rebbe with open arms and so freely gave him money have been played for fools. You can call these people extremists and propaganda artists but they are the rebbe's followers telling you exactly how they and their rebbe feel. Perhaps next time a rabid anti Zionist comes to town to pick your pocket you will not be so quick to look important by painting him and his followers as Zionistic lovers of Israel whose values are so closely aligned with those of your community.
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by Honestly Frum |
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39 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:11:08 PM
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dude, chill out. the rebbe is not a zionist. neither are tons of other chassidishe gedolim. get over it.
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by Anonymous |
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40 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:11:27 PM
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The connection between Toldos Aron and Neturei Karta can't be any more clearer.
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by anon |
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41 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:11:48 PM
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was this interview recorded in any way?. I sure hope it was
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by Anonymous |
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42 - Posted on 11/19/2009 4:12:16 PM
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Anonymous Says:
“A great issue was raised" why if they don't believe in Zionism why do they live in E"Y? If they truly believe in galus, why not truly be in galus?
Secondly, my husband went to the tish (tent). He said it was crowded with his own Chasidim and not many of the neighborhood men. In addition he went Motzei Shabbos and came back with the same report. The neighborhood was flooded with chassidic guests who were came along with the Rebbe, but there weren't that many neighborhood members who participated. In addition that particular shabbos was also that WE were hosting IDF soldiers. The Chassidic group did not offer them a warm welcome into the festivities. Rabbi Weinberger personally escorted a group of soldiers into the tent and invited them to sit down but they were uncomfortable only at that point did the Rebbe insist that they join him.
KEEP in mind. THESE YOUNG MEN, protect him,his family and his entire kehilah!
They should be shown the utmost hakaros hatov! ”
"why if they don't believe in Zionism why do they live in E"Y? If they truly believe in galus, why not truly be in galus?"
I infer from your question that one will no longer be in Galus if they live in the state. This is precisely the type of Zionist teachings which the Toldos Avraham Yitzak Rebbe and many other great Gadolim ( Chofetz Chaim, Rav Shach ZT’l, Rav Teitelbaum ZT’L, Rav Agidor Miller ZT’l, The 5th and 6th Lubavitcher Rebbes, to name a few ) were opposed to! I recommend you reading some of their teachings before making such statements again. Most AntiZionist Jews are NOT NK crackpots who meet with our enemies.
What we believe is that the state is not the end of Galus! Ones geographic location doesn’t define Galus, if this were the case then one can say the remaining Jews in Beirut Lebanon are not in Galus since they are in the land of E'Y, while under a foreign nation state. We antizionist Jews are NOT opposed to living in the Land of our forefathers (and most AntiZionist Jews in the state of Israel lived in the state before the formation of the state) but we are opposed to any Jewish state existing in Eretz Hakodesh before HKBH sends us Messiach.
The existence of a state we believe hinders the Jewish people’s ability to achieve the spiritual redemption for which we have been/are waiting for since we were sent into exile because of our sins against HKBH. The Zionist notion contradicts our hope and yearning that G-d himself will not bring about our Redemption.
Furthermore since its inception we believe it has rekindled and currently stirs the flames of AntiSemitism. Hence the 1 Million Jews who were kicked out of Arab lands after having lived there for thousands of years. And subsequently, jeopardizing the safety of Jews in the state ( Only Jewish community in the world threatened with inhalation ) and outside, like the Jews of Iran who face blowback from any preemptive strike. I hope this brief overview of some of our positions clarifies things for you and others who seem to misunderstand what AntiZion
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43 - Posted on 11/19/2009 7:29:48 PM
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A day without the "REBBE CONVTROVERSY" is like
a day without sunshine;
A day without sunshine is like a day with Florida Orange Juice;
Thefore:
A day with the "REBBE CONTROVERSY" is like a day without Florida Orange Juice.
Thank you for squeezing me my Florida Orange Juice.
Sincerely,
The Legendary Danny O'Doul
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by The Legendary Danny O'Doul |
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44 - Posted on 11/19/2009 9:43:00 PM
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"THE REBBE'S IS COMING TO TOWN"
(New Hit Song by The Legendary Danny O'Doul)
Hey everybody -
The Rebbe's back in Town
Wearing his Shtreimel
Like a regal crown
Attracting the attention
Of every clown -
Who thinks he's a dayan -
A Dayan Emet
Who drives a big Lincoln
Like a bright red Corvette
Dressing Yeshivish, but still with some zing
Wearing Versace glasses, Gucci loafers and bling
A Chopard on his wrist and a Droid in his left hand
He's a Yeshivish Bal Habayit whose dressed to beat the band..
So everybody, be still, don't make a sound
Because The Rebbe is coming to Town
And if you're not good - then no berachot for you
Then you wil stay an ordinary Jew
So everybody be a good girl or boy
Don't rock the boat like a K'eelu goy
Let the dear Rebbe tread on our ground
Be nice to The Rebbe
Cause The Rebbe is coming to Town!
Copyright, 2009 The Legendary Danny O'Doul
Green Shtreimel Music Publishing
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by The Legendary Danny O'Doul |
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45 - Posted on 11/19/2009 10:46:30 PM
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"LET THE REBBE ROCK"
New Hit Song By The Legendary Danny O'Doul
Hey Doctor Marton -
Haven't you heard
When you hosted The Rebbe
They all flipped you the bird
But let the Rebbe Rock
(Let the Rebbe Rock)
And his chassidim roll
(And his chassidim roll)
And let the IDF come
In the tent for a stroll
Hey Rabbi Weinberger don't get too down
All these dayanim are really just clowns
They get indignant
But don't understand
That sometimes the clothes
Just don't make the man
Then they see The Rebbe
And his snappy duds
And all his chassidim
Who show him the love
And they get envious
Cause they all know -
They'll never ever make
In the "Big Show"
So, Let the Rebbe Rock
(Let the Rebbe Rock)
And his chassidim roll
(And his chassidim roll)
And you can just take the free bridge
If you won't pay the toll.
COPYRIGHT 2009 THE LEGENDARY DANNY O'DOUL
THE GREEN SHTREIMEL MUSIC PUBLISHING
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46 - Posted on 11/19/2009 11:48:29 PM
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This so called “rebbe” is an embarrassment to Jews all over the world. He should not be allowed in the same room as the brave IDF soldiers. How any Rabbi in this community can invite him and honor him is beyond me.
What kind of Jew would give this guy money?
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